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The Dave Chang Show

Developing a Recipe for Success With Sarah Fennel

The Dave Chang Show

The Ringer

Society & Culture, Arts, Food

4.88.6K Ratings

🗓️ 25 September 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Dave opens the episode with musings on how quickly the world, especially the food world, seems to change. Then, he interviews Sarah Fennel, founder of Broma Bakery and author of 'Sweet Tooth.' They talk about what might be her best recipe: A recipe for success from a degree she didn’t plan on using, pivoting into food blogging, and harnessing the power of social media. Dave wraps up the episode with Ask Dave. Follow Sarah Fennel on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bromabakery/?hl=en Learn more about Broma Bakery: https://bromabakery.com/ Get a copy of Sarah's book Sweet Tooth: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/734512/sweet-tooth-by-sarah-fennel-creator-of-broma-bakery/ Learn more about Food and Wine's Best New Chefs: https://www.foodandwine.com/2025-best-new-chefs-11777656 Listen to our recent episode with Donnie Madia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCMdkl18XtU Learn more about Andy Hearnden: https://www.andy-cooks.com/ Learn morea bout Josh Weissman: https://www.joshuaweissman.com/ Read David Epstein's Range: https://davidepstein.com/range/ Listen to our previous episode with David Epstein: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2oC8kunxYpP3lEJ0aOK7yc Send in your Ask Dave questions to bit.ly/AskDaveForm or [email protected]. Subscribe to the show on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@thedavechangshow. Subscribe to Recipe Club on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@recipeclubofficial. Submit your favorite food moments in your favorite movies to majorfoodporn.com. Join our community Discord on majordomo.com. Look for the black carton in the egg aisle. Host: Dave Chang Guest: Sarah Fennel Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino Editor: Stefano Sanchez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:30.6

let me start with a story you've probably heard if you drop a frog into a pot of boiling water

0:36.7

it jumps out.

0:38.0

But if you place it in cool water and ever so slightly, turn up the heat a little bit, by little bit.

0:44.4

The frog won't notice until it's too late and it basically boils itself alive.

0:49.1

Scientists will tell you, it's definitely not true.

0:51.8

But as a metaphor, I think it's sort of perfect for where we're at in the food world.

0:56.4

And I'm going to explain a lot more of this into the pod today.

0:59.9

Because food today is changing at a rapid pace.

1:04.2

Culture is changing at a rapid pace.

1:05.8

We talk about ad nauseum on this podcast.

1:08.9

Chefs, restaurants, and food media, I think we're the frog. The heat has

1:15.9

been rising steadily since the early days of social media, since the early days of 2003, 2002,

1:23.1

where blogging started to happen. And by the time we've realized it, most of us, it's a little too late.

1:32.0

The rules for attention, recognition, and the success of how you measure being good

1:39.7

in this business have changed.

1:42.4

And, you know, my coach, Marshall my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my,

1:44.8

Marshall Goldsmith has written many great books, something we've repeated quite a bit is, is,

1:51.2

is this is sort of central thesis, right? What, what, what got you here, won't get you

1:55.1

there. And, you know, I try to remind myself of that, that all the time.

2:02.2

So still thinking of this through, a lot of this is still developing opinions, but I thought it was a good time to sort of do a quick state of the union, which we'll do today in the podcast.

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