Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Laura Owens and I'm Jan Black.

Talking with your boss about money, specifically your salary can be a tough conversation. If you've ever

felt nervous about negotiating a pay raise, you'll want to hear what our guest on this episode,

David Buckmaster has to say, David is an expert on pay who's led corporate compensation teams at

Nike, Starbucks, and YUM brands, and worked with business leaders on pay projects all over the world.

David is the director of Global Compensation for Nike and the author of the new book, Fair Pay,

How to Get a Raise, Close the Wage Gap, and Build Stronger Businesses.

David, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you for having me.

We're wondering what led you to write this book.

I did not intend to start out with a book. So this was an essay that I wrote for a writing contest

called the Bracken Bauer Prize. It's put on by the Financial Times and McKinsey and Company.

And the reason I wrote that essay was, you know, I was at a pretty low place in my career and writing has always been really important to me. And there was, I just had the sense that I needed to get back to

myself. And so I needed to get back into my hobbies. I was really burned out. So I just started

writing. Didn't matter what I was going to write. Fortunately, that essay did well enough to get me

shortlisted for that prize. And from there on, the piece is kind of fell in place

for me to be able to write this book. But I think broadly what I'm trying to do with it is to say,

you know, I've got a lot of time left in my career in corporate conversation. And I can't imagine

doing it the same way for the next 20 odd years because I think there's some fundamental things

that just need

to shift because we are not serving our employees very well at the current moment. Let's go back to basics.

I know that you've said that a lot of your work is defining to people what compensation and the

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