Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm Laura Owens, and I'm Jan Black. It's a joy to welcome back to the show,

Serial entrepreneur and angel investor David S. Rose, who has founded

or funded dozens of pioneering companies. David is the founder and CEO of Gust, the world's

largest online platform for entrepreneurs and early stage investors. Gust is used by entrepreneurs

all over the world to connect with early stage investors.

And David is also the New York Times bestselling author of both Angel Investing,

the Gust Guide to Making Money and Having Fun Investing in Startups, and the Startup Checklist,

25 steps to a scalable high-growth business.

David, thank you so much for coming back on with us.

It's a pleasure to be back. We wanted to check back with you now that the world is in this

tremendous time of upheaval. I mean, this is obviously a time of both challenge and opportunity

because so many things in our world have just changed so much in a matter of months.

So we're wondering what your impressions are of the challenges and the opportunities for

entrepreneurs and investors right now.

Well, first of all, the important thing to understand about entrepreneurs, as we discussed

the last time I was on the podcast, is that entrepreneurs are just a

weird breed of people. I mean, we're just different. We're crazy. We think differently. And so,

therefore, entrepreneurs thrive in periods of uncertainty. If everything was certain and everything

was unmoving and untouched and the same as it was yesterday, there wouldn't be any need for innovation,

any need for new ways of thinking. So entrepreneurs sort of like cockroaches. They will survive, given the most challenging, grueling crisis you can imagine, and they will do just fine.

So the problem is, looking at this world where the economy is currently totally on lockdown, existing businesses, particularly

bigger, traditional businesses, are finding that they are not suited to thrive in this kind

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