Alex, if someone climbed the hardest thing in the world tomorrow, like Boulder, sport route,

free solo, whatever it was, if it weren't a film or a mellow video or even an iPhone video on

Instagram, would it even matter? Like, even if there were 10 people there watching who could all vouch for its authenticity,

like, would it matter?

It's the classic if a tree falls in the wood and nobody hears, does it matter?

Did it actually fall down?

I mean, yeah, that's the question.

I think it's pretty true to say that it probably would be noted,

but it would never sort of achieve any sort of

wide acclaim. You kind of need media attached to anything now. And I guess does it make you

feel nostalgic? Like I think about Peter Croft, he, when he soloed Astromen and Yosemite Valley,

that was like the shot heard around the climbing world

i mean obviously it didn't go into mainstream media but for like climbing everyone was like what the

heck just happened and there wasn't even a photo attached to it like do you ever wish we could go back

to that that time i don't necessarily wish we could go back, but I do think, I mean, in some ways,

that's sort of reminiscent of news in the country now.

You know, it's like it's just that when people used to get all their climbing news

from one or two sources, it was just print.

It was much slower.

It's like now there's just such a flood of climbing content out there that,

you know, if something isn't documented well, it just gets lost in the, you know, it's like

who's ever going to hear about it otherwise? You know, it's easy to have a nostalgia over something

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