You have to share your story because our stories matter. We matter and we have to find that value, that worth from within us and we need to share our experiences.

We are more than October 7th. We're not victims. We are survivors. In our imagination, this is our imagination.

Anything is possible.

This is our imagination.

Hey it's Kathy Heller, welcome back to the Kathy Heller

podcast.

So for any of you that have been following me on Instagram,

you've probably seen all the different things

that I've been posting.

And among those things, I've been sharing

some of what's going on for me right now.

Being a woman, being a Jewish woman,

it is unspeakable.

There are truly no words for the masked rape and horror that has now been evidenced and documented with coming out of Israel and it is just so incredibly painful to see the evidence and to read the detailed accounts of the survivors

and also of people who witnessed what was happening to people who didn't survive it.

And I bring this up because we all know the tale as old as time is hatred and anti-Semitism is one of those hatreds that it's just always there somewhere and

it's been pretty difficult to not think about it as a human, as a person, as a mother.

And so today you're going to hear a conversation I had with an incredible person, Ben

Freeman, who happened to be in Los Angeles.

I interviewed him in person.

You're going to hear that interview today.

Ben is an amazing person. He's an author, he's a leader, he's a thinker, he's an educator.

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