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The Angry Therapist Podcast

Attachment Trauma Series PART 3: Healing Shame: Why Safe Love Feels Scary with Rebecca Prolman

The Angry Therapist Podcast

John Kim

Mental Health, Health & Fitness

4.61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

In this part 3 of our Attachment series, therapist Rebecca Prolman joins John Kim to unpack how childhood misattunement wires shame, why anger isn’t the enemy, and how “emotional completion” helps you reclaim the parts you exiled to survive. They explore corrective relationships (why real safety can feel scary), co-regulation for kids, and practical steps to move from fawning to sovereignty. Key topics & takeaways: Shame as a survival strategy that blocks primary emotions (grief/anger) Emotional completion: feeling what shame protected so it can release Co-regulation vs. punishment/time-outs for children’s anger Corrective relationships: safety, grief, and why “boring” can be secure Depth sustains attraction; chemistry alone burns out Naming early ruptures without making caregivers “villains” Methods mentioned: NARM — Neuro-Affective Relational Model (Dr. Laurence Heller ). Resources (as mentioned by Rebecca): Try Rebecca’s mini course if you’re new to this work; consider the 5-module course for deeper practice HERE Parts 1 HERE & Part 2 of this series HERE 🔗 Follow Rebecca Prolman Instagram | TikTok | YouTube → @rebeccaprolman Join John in Costa Rica, Dec 1–5. A retreat for connection, creativity, and fresh starts with an optional two-day medicine journey. Sign up HERE 📘 Read John’s new book in progress Sh*t Your Therapist Would Never Tell You on John’s SubStack HERE Order John's new book, Break Up. On Purpose,⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow John on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Find out more about John⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ HERE⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

to date dating as a therapist is also really challenging.

0:03.0

Sure.

0:04.0

It has its own pieces.

0:05.0

Yeah, there's this growth.

0:08.0

And I think there's so much growth that happens in that healthy relationship, right?

0:12.0

I think you know probably more than anyone that there's an amount of healing that we can do on our own when we're single.

0:19.0

And then we're going to get into that relationship and it's going to trigger all the stuff that can't be triggered when you're single. So I'm so glad you said that. I'm so glad you said that because there's a lot of people who, especially in today's world where we're talking, you know, at people and what you should do and what is healthy. But if you're talking about relationships and you have not been in one or you're not, you don't have to be in one now, of course, because you've had relationships.

0:41.4

But if you're talking a lot about love and relationships, but you have very little experience, if you haven't put many reps in, it's hard to get buy in because I'm like, well, there's a difference between theory and what you know.

0:53.8

Exactly. Exactly.

0:55.0

Exactly.

0:56.0

Yeah.

0:57.1

Love can hijack us very fast.

0:59.1

I don't care how much you've grown or healed.

1:00.6

Yeah.

1:00.9

And those triggers can be so intense, right?

1:06.6

I'm John Kim, a licensed therapist who used to be a miserable fuck before going on a hero's journey and turning expired relationships into revelations.

1:15.0

I use my story to help others come with you instead of at you, unrehearsed on purpose, because self-help doesn't have to be polished or complicated.

1:24.9

Just honest.

1:38.6

Rebecca, hey, can we pretend like we're not recording because I'm such a fan of people coming into the room and recording everything that they don't get to hear?

1:43.1

Yes, yes. I will do my best to pretend that we're not recording. Yes. How are you? How is your day? What's, what's, what's going on in Rebecca's life? Oh, today's been good. It's been a bit of

1:54.8

all over the place, to be honest. Are you seeing, are, do you see clients today? I do. Most of my clients today are in the

2:00.1

afternoon. So I have a handful of clients in having a really hard time right now. So reached out for me to meet for check-ins. I actually had another interview this morning for another podcast guest appearance, which was exciting. Yeah. And then working on the marketing for my courses, my social media, and then I'll have clients this afternoon.

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