Welcome to Karen Hunter's awesome.

Y'all already know, not just me. I'm awesome, of course, but it's the people that I bring in to talk about the things.

And there's a film out. It's called sinners. And it is taking the world by,

well, I don't know if it's taking the entire world by storm, but there's a lot of people saying

something about it. And you know, I'm going to ring in and bring in experts. Let me bring in

someone today. He's actually brilliant. He's amazing, incredible human being. But he also

pastors one of the dopest churches in the world, right? In Chicago, it is the legacy of Jeremiah Wright. Let me welcome the pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. The Wright Reverend Dr. Otis Moss III. Welcome.

Thank you so much, Karen Hunter. It is always a delight to be with you. So I've been wanting to have you on my podcast for a while. You've been on a radio show, of course. And that's been amazing. But this space is a little different, a little more intimate, if I can say that. I wanted to talk to you about these in times. I've been talking with a lot of pastors

like Reverend Dr. Frederick Douglas Hayes III. We've been having these conversations. I've talked off

Mike with Dr. Sorries about these times that we're in. And then this movie comes out. And I'm seeing

a lot of so-called Christians. I'm not going to see that devil, this demons. And some lady, Dr. Moss,

got up in the middle of the theater and started telling

everybody and they were going to hell and stuff and just, yeah, like just started.

I said, ma'am, if I pay for this ticket and you're going to have to go.

You go have to go.

Disrupt my situation?

We're going to have words outside.

We have words outside.

I'm getting a refund and I'm coming back.

What as a pastor of a church, you know, and I do understand those of us who have been

indoctrinated into this deep, literal, stiff way of seeing God and Christ, the brood of

vipers that Jesus came to talk about, y'all acting like

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