Our brains thought that our bodies were the place that pain happens.

So they were like, all right, we'll take it from here.

And that was loving and protective.

It was just misguided.

Mola let it out. Hi, welcome to Let It Out. I'm Katie.

Back for the first time in seven years, my good friend Valerie Janie.

Val is a meditation and mindfulness educator.

She's a writer.

And she's the co-host every Friday of We Made It Weird, a podcast with her

husband, comedian Pete Holmes. Val is hilarious. She's gentle. She's wise. She's incredibly smart.

And she's one of my favorite people to talk to. So it's no surprise that we had a conversation that was over

three hours long. So I'm splitting this episode up into two parts. You'll hear half of it or maybe

two thirds of it this week and then next week, the rest. She trained with Tara Brock and Jack Cornfield, who have both heavily

informed her work around trauma and mindfulness and meditation and embodiment. And we spoke about

all of those in this part. We begin what you're about to hear in this episode discussing anger and our problem that we both have

with it, which is our lack of expressing it. And then this goes off from there and snowballs

into so many different directions. As you'll hear in a second, she has so much wisdom on all of those

topics and so many topics. She's constantly helping me in our non-recorded conversations.

We met in 2015. She was working with this organization called Real Girl at the time.

I'm really happy we had this conversation.

She came over a couple weeks ago,

and we spent the day together eating snacks

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