The sort of holy grail of moments was I got arrested for trying to steal a police vehicle and I was like faced with having to go to jail.

And in the book, I detailed the story as a way of me reflecting how I got there. Let it out. Let it out. I'm Katie Katie. This week I spoke to Rosie Acosta. Rosie and I met about five years ago. We talk about it at length in the beginning of what you're about to hear. And we'd already been talking that day for about an hour and a half because we had a conversation on her podcast where

she had me on as a guest, which is really a part one, I guess, to this conversation. So we refer to it a

little bit and maybe I'll even put a clip of it at the end. And if you want to hear it in full,

I'll definitely put the link to that episode and the show notes.

You can go over and listen to me on her show.

They say a good interview should feel like therapy.

And let me tell you, it kind of did in this episode.

She had me, you know, catch her up really since the last time we spoke in 2016 and asked what changed.

And it's pretty much everything.

I love and also cringe at the fact that podcasts, these episodes are really time capsules.

You know, they're exactly who I was, what I was thinking about, what I was pondering on that day.

And I'm sure five years later, two years later, tomorrow, I'll cringe at whatever it was because we changed so quickly.

And it would be a bummer if I felt

exactly the same way in five years that I do now because that would mean that I haven't grown

or evolved or learned anything. So in a way, it's good. But it can also really make us cringe at

what we clung to and felt was so true that we don't think about

anymore now. You're about to hear Rosie's time capsule of where she is today, which is a pretty

exciting place. She just had a book come out and we talk about her process for that and what writing looked like for her.

And then we get into how a lot of the content in the book came to be.

She tells a story about how her disillusionment with the Catholic faith started after getting arrested and her

childhood growing up in L.A. in the 90s and getting into meditation and yoga. And we also talk about

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