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Hi, welcome to Let It Out.

This week is part two of my conversation with Valerie Cheney.

I hope you listened to last week to part one and you could absolutely start here, but I feel like it would be best if you went back and listened to last weeks if you haven't already.

Just because it might give you some context to what we're talking about here, this is the second half of a conversation we recorded

from my kitchen table a couple weeks ago. And since we were about an hour and 40 minutes in to the conversation that you maybe heard last week

or that we put up last week, you're coming in, you know, to the part where it's a little bit

silly, we're a little bit loose from talking for so long. So you might want to pause now and

jump back to part one and then listen to this half.

But, you know, honestly, you'll figure it out.

In this part of the conversation, we talk more about mindfulness and therapy.

We talk about how she found hobbies and her creative process and her creative practice.

We talk about a time where the two of us tried to do the artist's way together. And I think we did do the artist's way together for a little bit.

We'd have these weekly meetings that turned into monthly and then turned into not at all. And

we would just talk, which was exactly perfect. And then we talk about rom-coms and

movies from the early 2000s that really impacted us. We talk about

style trends from the early 2000s. This part, you know what I always say, part two. It's when

things really come alive. Hopefully you like when I sometimes take these and split them into two parts. And if you

listen last week, you know this already. But Val is my really good friend. We met in 2015.

She is a meditation and mindfulness educator. She's a writer and she's the co-host every Friday

of We Made It Weird, a podcast with her husband, comedian Pete Holmes.

Val is hilarious and gentle and wise and incredibly smart and genuinely one of my favorite people

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