All right, welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery Podcast. I'm Michael Jervay.

And the idea behind these conversations

is to sit down with people who are on the path of mastery

or have a point of view about mastery.

And we're working to understand their sturdy and robust practices what allow them to pursue

mastery and or pursue progression in environments that many of us might deem to be hostile

or rugged.

And the idea is for us to be able to tease out

the ways that they train their mind

and the way that they understand the world

and themselves in it, so that we can apply

some of those same principles in our everyday living as well.

And all of us reach moments where it feels rugged, even though it, you know, from an outsider

or an observer, it might not be, but be but it you know inside it feels like there's lots of pressure

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