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So I'd like you to take a moment to try and think if you're somebody who applies more effort in life or less effort in life.

If you're not sure what that means, we're only use a

meditation idea. So in meditation typically we have a personality or a

character trying harder or trying a little bit less. If we are applying too much effort, we might sit there

very sort of tense, very tight, trying to control the meditation in some way. If we're

applying too little effort, then we might be sort of

losing concentration a lot, we might be falling asleep. There's a sweet spot in the

middle. If you're not sure whether you're more of an over-effort or under-effort kind of person, you can start to notice in everyday actions as you're driving the car.

Are you squeezing the steering wheel to death or your hands your hands placed sort of very lightly on the

wheel when you I don't know when you cut a slice of bread are you tearing it apart or is

it you know a little bit sort of lighter than that there's actually lots of clues throughout our day

where we start to see not just what's going on in the mind but the level of

effort that's going into things. There's a great, it's a Zen story where a student goes to his teacher and says master you know it's a martial arts teacher and

this is master you know I have long admired your system of martial arts. I'd really like to learn and master it myself.

You know, how long is it going to take? The teacher looks at him and he says about 10 years and the student really impatient says but no no you don't understand I'm

going to devote all of my time to this all of my energy I'll never stop I'll keep

going how long will it take me?

And the teacher looks at him, he says,

maybe 20 years.

And I think for all of us, we assume that the more effort we apply,

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