Hi, my name is Pete Gazzara. I want to welcome you today to the Emotionally Healthy Leader

podcast. Our theme is a candid conversation on leading well in crisis, a candid conversation

on leading well in crisis. This was based on an interview Jerry and I gave this past a few months ago, actually, in a

an alpha conference for leaders around the world in which we were interviewed by Drew

Hyun, a young pastor here in New York City, good friend of ours, and about a 20 to 25-minute interview. But it was such a good interview

so unique that we really felt it was worthy of being put here on that podcast. Because it's not

simply Jerry and I responding to questions, but it's a wide interview on a variety of topics of

thinking about how do we navigate the present reality,

which we're living in. And so the unique contribution I think of this conversation is it's simply

conversational. And we're responding off the cuff very candidly and bringing some things to light

that are very worthy of thinking about. And again, the issues range on everything

from revival to anxiety to our need for well-differentiated, non-anxious leadership.

Talk about things like before we even get to mission and vision, we think about grief

and lament and how our highest calling is to be contemplative activists and how our tendency of

leaders is to kind of power through pain rather than actually enter into it and let it enter into us

and thus let it change us. And then we talk about marriage and how we're called to oneness

if we're married and depth in that marriage.

And that if you're married, the key to loving the world is loving each other in a marriage.

And the most loving thing you can do in the world is, of course, walk with Jesus.

But the second most loving thing is lead out of your marriage or your singleness.

But actually, the interview closes with a comment from Jerry about saving civilization that is perhaps worth a whole podcast.

And I pray you make it to the end and enjoy it.

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