A Big Debate About a Little Nuke
War on the Rocks
War on the Rocks
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🗓️ 14 March 2018
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
Why are so many people at odds over low-yield nuclear weapons? Well, it turns out, this debate touches on a megaton of interesting questions, including how Russia sees its own nuclear arsenal, how it envisions nuclear strategy, how the Kremlin understands the deterrence, and how we might prevent a nuclear war. So if you care about any of those things, you might want to listen in on this fierce debate between Frank Miller - a long-suffering veteran of the Pentagon and nuclear strategy, Dr. Olga Oliker of CSIS and a longtime observer and scholar of Russian nuclear and military doctrine, and Vipin Narang - a professor at MIT and, most importantly, a War on the Rocks senior editor.
Co-hosts Ryan Evans and Usha Sahay did their best to moderate this high-yield debate about low-yield nukes. Get ready for the fallout.
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| 0:00.0 | You are listening to the War on the Rocks podcast on Strategy, Defense and Foreign Affairs. |
| 0:14.0 | My name is Ryan Evans. I'm the editor and chief of War on the Rocks. |
| 0:16.2 | I'm joined by Ushahai, our managing editor. |
| 0:18.8 | Hello? |
| 0:19.8 | And we got a pretty great group of guests to talk about low-yield nuclear weapons, which might not sound |
| 0:25.4 | exciting, but it's actually set off a pretty fierce debate. |
| 0:28.0 | So let's go around the table and you can all introduce yourselves. |
| 0:31.0 | Vip and Naring, an associate professor at MIT, I work primarily on nuclear strategy and proliferation. |
| 0:36.1 | Olka Ulaker, I direct the Russia and Eurasia program at CSIS and I spend a lot of time thinking about the Russian military, Russian weapons |
| 0:45.3 | development and that includes Russian nuclear weapons. |
| 0:48.0 | And I'm Franklin Miller. I'm at the Scrocroft Group, but I'm a retired |
| 0:52.0 | senior government civil servant and I spent most of my 28 years in the |
| 0:58.0 | Pentagon and the White House dealing with and running nuclear weapons policy. |
| 1:02.8 | So why is there a debate over low-yield nuclear weapons, |
| 1:06.4 | which, am I right, used to be just called tactical nuclear weapons |
| 1:09.4 | or is that a whole different thing? |
| 1:11.0 | It's a whole different thing. |
| 1:12.0 | It's a whole different thing. It's more complicated. |
| 1:13.0 | You want to walk us through the history and the terminology, Frank? I can do that. And they, in the |
| 1:17.2 | 50s, the United States proliferated, bad word now, good word then, |
| 1:20.9 | proliferated short and medium range tactical nuclear weapons in in |
| 1:25.8 | Europe and at sea and these were supposed to be battlefield weapons in accordance with the |
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