I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for another drive-to-work coronavirus edition.

Okay, so while I'm stuck at home, I decided to interview people that have stuff to do with magic from all over the spectrum.

So today I'm a very exciting guest, Mark Hagen. So say hi, Mark.

Hello.

Okay, so...

It's a truly an honor to be on the podcast, a long-time listener, first-time guest, so thank you.

Okay, so first off, the thing I've been asking everybody is, well, what is your title,

so the audience knows what, we'll get into what you do, but what's your title?

Yeah, I am product architect.

So within the group that makes tabletop paper magic, within that group, there's a team

called the Product Strategy Team, and I'm part of that team as the product architect.

Okay, we will get into what you do, but I want to, the way I've been starting all this

interviews is by asking the following question of everybody.

How did you get into magic?

Okay. I was in fourth grade when beta came out. I was at my friend Paul's house. I still remember

his big brother, who was kind of like we both looked up to, he ran in the door. He was like,

guys, get all the money you can and follow me down to

the gaming store down on central avenue um so we went down there he's like just trust me

buy this new thing it's called magic card so we i think we had enough money for like maybe two

boosters back then you could get either boosters or like the starter deck. I think we

had enough money for two boosters each. We opened them up, started looking through, and immediately,

immediately, I was like, this is the most interesting thing I've ever seen. The idea of cards

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