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7/8: Den of Spies: Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason That Stole the White House by Craig Unger (Author)

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🗓️ 17 February 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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7/8: Den of Spies: Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason That Stole the White House by Craig Unger  (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Den-Spies-Reagan-History-Treason/dp/B0D2LPBJMH
It was a tinderbox of an accusation. In April 1991, the New York Times ran an op-ed alleging that Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign had conspired with the Iranian government to delay the release of 52 American hostages until after the 1980 election. The Iranian hostage crisis was President Jimmy Carter's largest political vulnerability, and his lack of success freeing them ultimately sealed his fate at the ballot box. In return for keeping Americans in captivity until Reagan assumed the oath of office, the Republicans had secretly funneled arms to Iran. Treasonous and illegal, the operation--planned and executed by Reagan's campaign manager Bill Casey--amounted to a shadow foreign policy run by private citizens that ensured Reagan's victory.
Investigative journalist Craig Unger was one of the first reporters covering the October Surprise--initially for Esquire and then Newsweek--and while attempting to unravel the mystery, he was fired, sued, and ostracized by the Washington press corps, as a counter narrative took hold: The October Surprise was a hoax. Though Unger later recovered his name and became a bestselling author on Republican abuses of power, the October Surprise remained his white whale, the project he--as well as legendary investigative journalist, the late Robert Parry--worked on late at night and between assignments.
In Den of Spies, Unger reveals the definitive story of the October Surprise, going inside his three-decade reporting odyssey, along with Parry's never-before-seen archives, and sharing startling truths about what really happened in 1980. The result is a real-life political thriller filled with double agents, CIA operatives, slippery politicians, KGB documents, wealthy Republicans, and dogged journalists. A timely and provocative history that presages our Trump-era political scandals, Den of Spies demonstrates the stakes of allowing the politics of the moment to obscure the writing of our history.
1979 Tehran

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This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batchel with Craig Unger. The new book is Den of Spies,

0:40.6

Reagan, Carter, and the secret history of the treason that stole the White House. October surprise.

0:46.2

So far, we've heard from all the players in the Republican Party, all the players in the Carter

0:51.3

White House, the go-betweens for Bill Casey, his network

0:55.7

reaching back to the OSS. We've heard from major publications, Newsweek and Esquire.

1:02.5

We have information gathered together for AP and for publication, investigations by the Joint

1:10.7

Committee, 919 92, investigating the October

1:13.3

surprise story, Gary Six, book about it, Gary Six, op-ed page. We talked to all that. What about Iran?

1:20.6

It is now the fall of 2014. Craig arrives in Iran. He's got a visa for a week. What was your mission, Craig? What were you looking for?

1:30.1

Well, I figured if the October surprise took place, if there was a deal between the Republicans, Iran, there had to be people in Iran who knew about it.

1:39.1

And one of the key people I wanted to interview was a guy named Mosen Rafi Gh. And he had been an ally of Ayatollah Khomeini from the very

1:49.6

start. He had been in Paris when Khomeini was in exile there. And he accompanied Khomeini on the flight

1:57.4

back to Tehran, at which point Khomeini was greeted by millions of people in the streets,

2:04.7

celebrating his return.

2:07.0

And Rathie Duke was actually chauffeering the car as they drove Comeney through the streets.

2:12.9

He later became head of arms.

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