6/8: Den of Spies: Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason That Stole the White House by Craig Unger (Author)
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🗓️ 17 February 2025
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https://www.amazon.com/Den-Spies-Reagan-History-Treason/dp/B0D2LPBJMH
It was a tinderbox of an accusation. In April 1991, the New York Times ran an op-ed alleging that Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign had conspired with the Iranian government to delay the release of 52 American hostages until after the 1980 election. The Iranian hostage crisis was President Jimmy Carter's largest political vulnerability, and his lack of success freeing them ultimately sealed his fate at the ballot box. In return for keeping Americans in captivity until Reagan assumed the oath of office, the Republicans had secretly funneled arms to Iran. Treasonous and illegal, the operation--planned and executed by Reagan's campaign manager Bill Casey--amounted to a shadow foreign policy run by private citizens that ensured Reagan's victory.
Investigative journalist Craig Unger was one of the first reporters covering the October Surprise--initially for Esquire and then Newsweek--and while attempting to unravel the mystery, he was fired, sued, and ostracized by the Washington press corps, as a counter narrative took hold: The October Surprise was a hoax. Though Unger later recovered his name and became a bestselling author on Republican abuses of power, the October Surprise remained his white whale, the project he--as well as legendary investigative journalist, the late Robert Parry--worked on late at night and between assignments.
In Den of Spies, Unger reveals the definitive story of the October Surprise, going inside his three-decade reporting odyssey, along with Parry's never-before-seen archives, and sharing startling truths about what really happened in 1980. The result is a real-life political thriller filled with double agents, CIA operatives, slippery politicians, KGB documents, wealthy Republicans, and dogged journalists. A timely and provocative history that presages our Trump-era political scandals, Den of Spies demonstrates the stakes of allowing the politics of the moment to obscure the writing of our history.
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| 0:00.0 | Greg Unger's here, my colleague and friend, Den of Spies, is his new book, Reagan, Carter, |
| 0:11.2 | and the Secret History of the Treason that Stole the White House. Ben Manashi, the agent for the Israeli |
| 0:17.4 | military intelligence, Rogue, has produced documents and made many interviews, |
| 0:23.5 | and part of the information he's convened still remains a whopper. |
| 0:28.4 | That in July, in October of 1980, weeks before the election, George Bush, George H.W. Bush, |
| 0:40.3 | the man who was nominated at the time to be vice president, and we know now, has served as president of the United States during the investigation |
| 0:45.6 | run by the Senate and the House in 9192, the allegation is that he traveled to Paris and met |
| 0:53.6 | with representatives of Iran in order to seal the deal. |
| 0:59.1 | Craig, the information was always less vital than we have for the meeting in Madrid. |
| 1:07.0 | DeMorange is suspect of having set it up in Paris. |
| 1:13.7 | But there are alibis, and one of them is meeting with Potter Stewart, a Supreme Court Associate Justice, and his wife, and |
| 1:19.6 | that Potter Stewart's gone, so there's no source of information there. Please explain what we do |
| 1:26.8 | have about that so-called meeting. Luncheon, I believe. |
| 1:31.0 | Well, I have to give credit to my late colleague Bob Perry, who really punctured this and |
| 1:37.9 | several other alibis. But he actually interviewed Potter Stewart's widow, and he would not confirm it. And she said, |
| 1:48.9 | but she said, oh, you better listen to what the president tells you, which is Bob Perry wasn't |
| 1:56.4 | exactly the kind of guy who did that. And he went further. And I have to say, in this case, |
| 2:02.4 | he went further than almost any investigative reporter I know, because once he got the Secret |
| 2:08.5 | Service reports, some of which appeared to exculpate President Bush, he actually went to |
| 2:16.8 | the Secret Service agents involved and interviewed them, |
| 2:20.9 | and he began to realize, no, they really couldn't back up the story. |
| 2:26.0 | The alibis were not firm. |
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