8/8: Den of Spies: Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason That Stole the White House by Craig Unger (Author)
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🗓️ 17 February 2025
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Summary
https://www.amazon.com/Den-Spies-Reagan-History-Treason/dp/B0D2LPBJMH
It was a tinderbox of an accusation. In April 1991, the New York Times ran an op-ed alleging that Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign had conspired with the Iranian government to delay the release of 52 American hostages until after the 1980 election. The Iranian hostage crisis was President Jimmy Carter's largest political vulnerability, and his lack of success freeing them ultimately sealed his fate at the ballot box. In return for keeping Americans in captivity until Reagan assumed the oath of office, the Republicans had secretly funneled arms to Iran. Treasonous and illegal, the operation--planned and executed by Reagan's campaign manager Bill Casey--amounted to a shadow foreign policy run by private citizens that ensured Reagan's victory.
Investigative journalist Craig Unger was one of the first reporters covering the October Surprise--initially for Esquire and then Newsweek--and while attempting to unravel the mystery, he was fired, sued, and ostracized by the Washington press corps, as a counter narrative took hold: The October Surprise was a hoax. Though Unger later recovered his name and became a bestselling author on Republican abuses of power, the October Surprise remained his white whale, the project he--as well as legendary investigative journalist, the late Robert Parry--worked on late at night and between assignments.
In Den of Spies, Unger reveals the definitive story of the October Surprise, going inside his three-decade reporting odyssey, along with Parry's never-before-seen archives, and sharing startling truths about what really happened in 1980. The result is a real-life political thriller filled with double agents, CIA operatives, slippery politicians, KGB documents, wealthy Republicans, and dogged journalists. A timely and provocative history that presages our Trump-era political scandals, Den of Spies demonstrates the stakes of allowing the politics of the moment to obscure the writing of our history.
1981 Inaugural
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| 0:22.3 | This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Thatcher. Craig Unger's new book is Den of Spies, Reagan, Carter, and the Secret History of the Treason that stole the White House. These many decades later, this is American presidential history. And therefore, caution is well advised. |
| 0:28.8 | However, we have a mystery to solve, and perhaps it's solved in front of me. |
| 0:30.9 | But I have the author here to ask. |
| 0:40.0 | On January 20th, 1980, 81, Ronald Reagan is sworn in his president of the United States, |
| 0:40.9 | inauguration day. |
| 0:50.3 | And as he begins his inaugural speech, the hostages, I believe, are still in custody, incarcerated, |
| 0:53.7 | trapped in Tehran. |
| 0:59.9 | And as he ends his speech, the announcement comes that they've been freed. |
| 1:01.1 | Is that accurate, Craig? |
| 1:02.1 | Did it happen that way? |
| 1:03.8 | Yes, absolutely. |
| 1:09.1 | In fact, Jimmy Carter, they had agreed to release them while Jimmy Carter was president. And this was the last day of Jimmy Carter's presidency. |
| 1:13.4 | He got zero sleep. |
| 1:15.0 | He may have napped on the couch in the Oval Office. |
| 1:18.0 | He was making sure again and again that every eye had been dotted, |
| 1:25.1 | every tea had been crossed, |
| 1:26.7 | and he kept waiting anxiously for them to release them during his administration. |
| 1:32.4 | And there, while Reagan was up on the podium, taking the oath of office, and it was about three minutes later that the hostages were actually, they were actually in planes, They were on the tarmac, but they did not |
| 1:46.1 | take off until Reagan took the oath of office. And, you know, it was one of those things where |
| 1:53.7 | it seems obvious on the, on the face of it, that Reagan, the Reagan campaign had to have made a secret deal. |
| 2:04.1 | Before he became president, he had no authority whatsoever to negotiate with Iran. |
| 2:09.8 | And his presidency was roughly three minutes old, and we all saw him on the podium. |
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