Gaza. I welcome Ahmed Fouad Al-Khattib, writing most recently at the Atlantic magazine. War is coming back to Gaza. Until

Hamas is disarmed goes to subhead, Gaza has no future. Akhmed at the Atlantic Council is a senior fellow as well as the director, a lead in the realign for Palestine project.

Ahmed, I begin by admitting over these last weeks.

I've talked to a number of voices in Israel and in the United States.

You follow the story very carefully.

And everyone agrees with you.

War is coming back.

The ceasefire signed at Charmelle Sheik is not said to be worth much because of the

intentions, the malign intentions of Hamas.

The numbers the Israeli newspapers have given several times about what's left in less than

50% of Gaza, which is where Hamas is right now exercising

what authority it has, is 20,000 fighters with a middle management in the lead. There's a lot of

bad acting going on, even in Hamas, because the clans that occupy Gaza are pushing back as best they

can. They're also said to be anti-Hamas militia in the less than half, 50% of Gaza. Your article

identifies the future here, which looks extremely bleak. First of all, I'd like you to comment on what scale of

force do you think of Ahamas has, and then what is the next step? Good evening to you. Well, good

evening to you, and thanks so much for speaking with me. I am in constant contact with folks on the

ground in Gaza. I've maintained a robust network of

contacts, friends, allies, even family members, close and extended, who have endured the past

two years, the horror of life under Hamas, the horror of the war, what followed after October 7th of

lost family members. And so I don't just speak about this from an analytical point of view.

I speak about it based on a lot of information that is relayed to me from folks who are on the

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