I'm John Batchel with Ahmed Fuad Al-Khattib for the Atlantic magazine where he has an article about the war is coming back.

He's a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

And we're talking about Hamas and its ambitions.

You identify two camps when you talk about the next step, which is disarmament.

One camp says political process first, then disarmament. The other camp says, if you don't take

the guns away, there is no political process. There's just brutality. Is either camp in control

of the next steps, Ahmed? Thank you. It appears that the camp, which believes there has to be disarmament first, is winning out.

And I am glad to say that, thankfully, people are realizing that you cannot have a credible

political process in which a terror organization that has guns, that is violent, that has a disgusting ideology, is going to somehow step back and allow for the emergence of a free society, allow for the emergence of a diverse, multifaceted political arena that is going to be inherently

in opposition to its very existence.

And so let's pretend that I'm going to be a member of the technocratic committee.

And I am going to tackle the issue of Hamas violating the sanctity of medical facilities and actually legitimately using medical facilities.

The three main hospitals in Gaza right now, Shifa in Gaza City, Al-Axa Brigade, Al-Axa in Dar al-Bal-Bara and Central Gaza Gaza and Nasr Hospital in southern Gaza and Khan Yunus.

Hamas uses those hospitals to interrogate people.

It uses those hospitals to call up people that it suspects of transgressions and to say and and and and in in the when they

call people or when they send them notes they say come and see us at the hospital so i want to do

something about that how am i as an unarmed technocrat going to issue a decision that says Hamas needs to take its staff

and its guns out of the hospital? It just makes no sense. There is no credible way in which a

political process can actually lead to disarmament. whereas if from the get-go, we start with,

hey, guys, let's actually take stock of all the different ways in which arms are present in Gaza,

in the tunnels, on the streets, in the hospitals, in the markets, in the UN schools.

And this is not just me.

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