Mindfulness Mode 511.

The way Ticknot Han practices walking meditation is kind of unique.

I think he's the only person so far who's written an entire book about walking meditation.

Music I have the author with me today, Gary Gatch.

Gary, Gatch. Gary, are you in mindfulness mode today?

Bruce, I'm in mindfulness mode ultra right now.

Oh, that's great.

That's great.

Well, I'm excited to talk to you about your book. First, I'd like to ask you about mindfulness and what it means to you.

Well, in the book, you know, I have a lot of different definitions because it's, you know, like, it's like love or democracy or something,

you know, really, or peace, kind of something everybody comes to, I think, for their own definition of it.

For me, I'll give you, I'll put it this way. When I started out in my career, I was a writer

who was also interested in Eastern spirituality and haiku and so forth. And now my career is mindfulness

out of which writing and haiku and various things are all practices. So I don't make any

separation between mindfulness and life and and me. I like that. So that's what it is for me. It's just all one. Let me, let me share a little bit about you, Gary,

with my listeners. Gary Gatch is a San Francisco-based author who is educated in mindfulness by,

get this, Tick Not Han. So that is pretty incredible. Gary has written a number of books,

including his most recent, like I said, pause, breathe, smile. The subtitle is

awakening mindfulness when meditation is not enough. While living his life as a writer, Gary has worked at various jobs to make ends meet,

including as a bookshop clerk, editor-in-chief, hospital administrator, journalist, stevedore,

and typographer.

So you've done lots of different things, and now you are still spending a lot of time writing.

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