I'm pulling my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for the drive to work.

Okay, so my topic today is not magic. Dada-da-da. So Wizards of the Coast produces three major games.

We make magic, obviously. I talk about that all the time. We make a game called Dual Masters. That's for the Japanese market. I had a whole podcast on that. And the other game we make,

let me cough as I tried to say this. The other game we make is Dungeons and Dragons.

So today I'm going to talk all about kind of the history of dungeon dragons, how it influenced

magic, and how it ended up at Wizards of the Coast, and kind of the history of dungeon dragons, how it influenced magic, and how it ended up at

Wizards of the Coast, and kind of the interaction, sort of what having Dungeon Dragons at Wizards

is done for Magic, too. So anyway, it's a Dungeons and Dragons Day. Woo! Okay, so first,

we'll hop in our way back machine to go back to 1974.

Okay, so there were two men, a guy named Gary Gygax and Dave Arnison.

And at the time, they were gamers.

So what was big back then was called miniature gaming.

Miniature gaming started as war gaming, that there was, you know, one of the things that was really popular,

and I think it stemmed from what the military had actually done to sort of walk through

and, I guess, trained generals and stuff, you know, trained military people, is miniature war gaming.

And so you'd have a whole army full of little tiny figures, and you'd have giant wars,

and, you know, in miniature gaming, you're, you, the one player playing a whole army,

and then, like, the relationship between the characters matters, and you have terrain.

Anyway, miniature gaming is a fun

a fun game a fun way to game not a system a whole genre of gaming but from

that there was a game called chain mail game which was a kind of miniature war

game and they did they started by making a variant of that.

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