411: Faith, Family, and Flag, with General James "Mook" Mukoyama
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🗓️ 8 November 2023
⏱️ 224 minutes
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James Mukoyama (born August 3, 1944) was (at the time) the youngest American to command a United States Army division. He served over thirty years on active and reserve duty in the Army, including service in Korea and Vietnam.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Jocco Podcast Number 4-11 with Eco Charles and me Jocco Willink. Good evening echo. |
| 0:07.0 | Good evening. Vietnam was far different from Korea because I was there with one mission, defeat the enemy. |
| 0:15.2 | As opposed to the Chang-Pah-Rhee fund in Korea, I didn't have the time, energy, or |
| 0:21.3 | resources to support the community. |
| 0:24.4 | We were not there to win over hearts and minds. |
| 0:28.0 | We were fighting the enemy in guerrilla war. |
| 0:31.8 | Lieutenant Colonel Hackworth briefed us on tactics he had learned in previous |
| 0:35.6 | deployments, but this form of irregular insurgency warfare was less |
| 0:41.0 | predictable and organized, more chaotic and treacherous. |
| 0:45.0 | As the leader of Battle Company, I was leading operations |
| 0:50.0 | in these gruesome firefights. |
| 0:52.0 | In one particularly ruthless battle, in these gruesome firefights. |
| 0:53.0 | In one particularly ruthless battle with the Viet Cong, |
| 0:56.6 | we had many killed. |
| 1:00.4 | There were three dead bodies at my feet a unit is most vulnerable right after a victory |
| 1:06.8 | It is just human nature to let your guard down and breathe a sigh of real sigh of relief |
| 1:18.6 | But as the guy in charge, the pro, I knew that and acted accordingly. I was on my radio with my platoon leaders barking out orders and telling them to take care of their |
| 1:23.3 | wounded, reorganize their units, redistribute ammunition, and watch for enemy |
| 1:28.8 | avenues of approach for a counterattack. But suddenly I stopped. I glanced down at the enemy bodies at my feet and realized |
| 1:39.8 | that something had happened to me. Something had hardened my heart. |
| 1:44.5 | Only moments earlier, these bodies were alive human beings, |
| 1:48.7 | children of God with families and loved ones. |
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