Welcome to the Not Old Better Show, I'm Paul Vogel-Zang, and this is episode

number 301. Today's show is sponsored by Audible.

Initially known as Audible.

Initially known as the National Senior Olympics, the National Senior Games, a member of the USOC,

has been hosting senior athletes since 1987.

Today, the National Senior Games has grown to one of the largest multi-sport events in the world.

The vision has always been been instead of looking back as they get older

senior olympians think about tomorrow they think I'll beat them next year

this kind of thing is good in every way. The National Senior Games,

a 20 sport biennial competition for men and women 50 and over is the largest multi-sport event in the world for seniors and it promotes

health and wellness for adults 50 and over through education, fitness and sport.

In 2019, the National Senior Games will be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico and among the

anticipated 10,000 plus athletes attending will be Chuck and Phil Milliman, and son pole vaulting senior games gold medalists.

Today on the Not Old Better Show will be speaking with 85 year old champion pole vulture Chuck Milliman.

We'll be speaking with Chuck's son Phil Milliman in an upcoming episode.

Chuck Milliman, a retired minister, did not start running seriously until his 40s, but has competed in 66 marathons and a variety of track and field competitions.

Both Chuck and Phil tell me the real goal in all this

gold medal pursuit is to achieve good health and longevity. You'll enjoy both our episodes in conversation with father and son and

Chuck is thoroughly engaging, enthusiastic, and has a great sense of humor. You'll want

to listen to the end of the interview when Chuck

breaks out his comedy stand-up routine for two hilarious jokes. Really, they're

wonderful. Truly, both Chuck and Phil are the very image of fitness and examples to all of us about

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