Welcome to the Not Old Better Show. I'm Paul Vogel saying and this is episode

number 302. Today's show is sponsored by Snug Safe.com. Initially known as the National Senior Olympics, the National Senior Games, a member of the

U.S.OC has been hosting senior athletes since 1987.

Today, the National Senior Games has grown to one of the largest multi-sport events in the world.

The vision has always been been instead of looking back as they get older

senior olympians think about tomorrow they think I'll beat them next year this kind of thing

is good in every way. The National Senior Games,

a 20-sport biennial competition for men and women 50 and over is the largest multi-sport event in the world for seniors and it promotes

health and wellness for adults 50 and over through education, fitness and sport.

In 2019, the National Senior Games will be held in Albuquerque, New Mexico and among the

anticipated 10,000 plus athletes attending will be Chuck and Phil Milliman, and son pole vaulting senior games gold medalists.

We spoke with Chuck Millman last week and today on the Not Old Better Show show in part two will be speaking with 66 year old

champion pole-vaulter Phil Milliman Chuck Sun. Phil Milliman vaulted in high school then

took time away from vaulting, only to return at age 35 and he's

been burning up the runways ever since.

Both Chuck and Phil tell me the real goal in all this gold medal pursuit is to achieve good health and longevity.

You'll enjoy both our episodes and conversation with Father and Son, and Phil is as engaging and enthusiastic as his Father Chuck.

Truly, both Chuck and Phil are the very image of fitness and examples to us all about being not old but better.

Please join me in welcoming to the not old better show, Phil Milliman.

Phil Milliman, it is such a pleasure to speak with you today.

Well thank you.

I said, good to talk to you.

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