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3/4: The Optimist: Sam Altman, OpenAI, and the Race to Invent the Future by Keach Hagey (Author)

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 12 July 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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3/4: The Optimist: Sam Altman, OpenAI, and the Race to Invent the Future 
by  Keach Hagey  (Author)
1978 NETHERLANDS IBM 360/85

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0:00.0

The weather. Tomorrow, expect a biting cold front. Hmm, how naughty. I wonder what I'll be

0:06.9

wearing or taking off. The night will be wild and untamed. Expect heavy, lashing rain that'll soak you

0:13.8

to the skin. By Monday, temperatures will rise slowly but surely reaching their peak in the afternoon.

0:21.2

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0:23.5

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0:26.3

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0:34.4

I'm John Betcher with Keech Hegey, the author of the new book The Optimist, Sam Altman, Open AI, and the Race to Invent the Future.

0:42.0

Our protagonist, our hero, Sam Maltman's at Stanford University, and it's a leafy campus in California's weather.

0:52.8

And if you know what that is, you'll smile.

0:56.0

However, right then, at that moment, it is just beginning with the translation of Stanford from a

1:05.8

school known as the West Coast Ivy League into a school associated with Silicon Valley,

1:12.2

which is inventing itself all around Stanford. Sand Hill Road, which was famous as a location

1:18.2

of the early venture capital funds, is in walking distance from the campus, along with all the

1:24.3

fine shops changing all the time. It's a beautiful neighborhood where all the founders of the social media that you now

1:33.3

use routinely, are once walked and talked.

1:37.3

And one of the joys of Keatsch's book for me is that I was there from 2003 every year

1:42.9

at the Hoover Institution,

1:44.9

not knowing what was going on and those young people talking over there behind the railing for breakfast in the morning.

1:51.5

Well, Keech has some of it.

1:53.3

And one of it was Sam Altman inventing himself.

1:57.9

And by inventing himself, he had an idea with his friends that he met at Stanford.

2:03.0

The original idea was something about, this is before the iPhone, there was a clamshell phone,

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