I'm John Batchel with Kich Hakey, the author of the new book The Optimist, Sam

Alpin, Open AI, and the race to invent the future. You want to know where Chat GPD comes.

It comes from conversations between people who live in California now and again. One of them

is Sam Altman. However, we've seen the formation of OpenChat

GPT. Is GPT one? No, there's a 2.0, then there's a 3, then there's a 3 and a half.

And Sam has an eye for commercial success. They're monetizing very quickly. Though they are a lab, and that is an important distinction

here because there are unhappy voices around Sam saying that we don't have any control of

this. We don't want to go where it can get dangerous. Jeff Hinton is one of those University of Toronto visionary about the ability of

artificial intelligence and his colleagues.

What does Sam make of those warning voices, Keech?

Well, it depends on when you ask him.

So early on, Sam brought forward those same

warnings. After a chat GPT launched and became viral, Sam was the one going around saying,

you know, this is wonderful, but if it goes wrong, it could go very wrong. He testified before

Congress saying we should regulate this because there are there are possibilities

that if we don't align this properly it could he doesn't say this basically implication is he could

kill us all so he was a purveyor of this in the early days but as time went on you know his focus

became more commercial and he is definitely much less excited about regulation today. The blip is a disagreement between Sam and the board between where Sam is the head of OpenChat

GPT, a lab, non-proff, and Sam is also still interested in his skill at YC or forming companies

that are visionary, housing companies, companies to do with nuclear energy.

And I can't entirely unpack the confrontation, but it comes to Sam being fired by his board

and a huge weekend of stories about disaster.

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