We're like doing time in this dark thing that will ultimately hopefully make us more empathetic and more able to relate to people in nuanced ways. Let it out. Let it out. Let it out.

I'm your host,

Katie out. I've been hosting this podcast for a million years, and it's usually these long-form conversations with people. But I like to switch up the format a little bit now that I've done like 300 of these and this episode is one of

those times. It's kind of an offshoot from just a pure one-time conversation and it's going to cut

between a topic of a conversation that I had with Emily who's here with me and I a couple weeks ago

and the conversation that we're about to have now. So I'm

here with Emily Rousseau, who's the author of two books of personal essays and a talented

astrologer who combines ancient wisdom and modern astrology and taro and creative praxis.

What is creative praxis, Emily?

Praxis to me, it's action. So I like to give my clients creative ways to take what we've

talked about in session into the world. I find that I work with a lot of artists and creative people.

And so I try to sort of expand the space of astrology into their own practices.

And we've been talking about that a lot. I think with you and just like in my own life, I've

been thinking so much about like I'm so self-aware. I feel like I have all this information between

human design and astrology and therapy and recording these conversations on the podcast

that I feel almost stifled by how aware I am and just wanting to take action.

So I think that that's great, that that's like built into your bio.

Yeah, I'm the same.

Yeah.

So Emily also has a podcast and she had me as a guest on her podcast a couple months ago.

And then she gifted me an astrology session, which was so wonderful.

And she alluded to my Saturn return a couple times in that session, I think, if I remember

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