Okay, I have Dr. Dennis Dent with me today. I am so excited to talk to you today. Can I call you Dr. Deden? It feels kind of like...

Just call me Dennis. All right, All right. I'll call you Dennis.

And okay, I just got to start off with I, I wrote you an email telling you why I was dying to

have you on my podcast. And for anyone who hasn't heard me to talk about this already, because I feel

like I've talked about it on social media. And I've just mentioned it a little bit in other podcast episodes. I talked about my experience meeting

Elder Runland and asking him my question, which I'll briefly go over again. But basically,

I got to Utah and I had been preparing for months to give a talk or a speech or whatever at BYU

Women's Conference and then the very next day at the Utah Coalition Against Pornography.

And in preparation for these two talks, I have never felt more opposition in my life

before anything, leading up to anything. And so I got to

Utah on the first night that I was there, I was with a group of women who are all, they all,

actually, we were all gathered by Emily Bell Freeman because she runs an account called Inclings.

So she's had each of us on as guests to speak about a general conference talk, which is like our church's biannual or semi-annual conference and there's speakers.

And so she would have each of us meet with her on this inkling's Instagram account and talk about one of the most recent talks.

And so then that cohort, we kind of

have stayed together as a group and we get together periodically. So they decided to have a dinner

right before women's conference because there were a few of us coming into town for women's

conference. And I told that group that I was experiencing so much opposition. And one of them,

my dear friend, Tanna, said, you need to read this book. You need to read, looking under Christ

in every thought. And she told me it's on audible. You can listen to it as you're driving around

this week. So I immediately downloaded it and started listening to it. And to make a long story short, it has in the course of the last few weeks

just totally changed my life. And I don't say that lightly. It's not just like some, you know,

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