you know rising tides rise all people it's like you look around and you see oh

Stephen Spielberg copula and Lucas it's like why did those oh wait they went to school

together oh wait this is a Lucas directed Spielberg production.

So keep good company and if you're a good person when somebody gets into a studio, they'll recommend

you and you'll get in and then if you're doing the work you'll just keep getting called. It's simple as that. I'm going to do. Okay, my next guest I haven't spoken to in a number of years.

Okay, my next guest I haven't spoken to in a number of years, we kind of go way back to the old school and a lot of you who are a long time

ucci followers and fans of the show know that at one point in my life I used to make commercials

and music videos for

living and I've left that world long behind. So it's always nice to welcome a

familiar face and a familiar voice back to the show. So Kevin for people who don't know who you are, can you introduce

yourself? Tell us a little story about who you are and what you do.

Yeah, so it's good to see you, Chris. It's been many years. I guess the broad category is I, you know, I'm in the motion graphic space.

Work primarily in commercials, music videos like you were saying way back in the

day if you know, you know know got my start at a company called

fuel long since gone but you know kind of one of the early OG motion graphic

shops and then you know just kind of work my way through the industry and we worked at a lot of different

places know a lot of similar people and yeah so that's kind of my brief

history and where are you at today?

So I'm currently at a place called Motion, which they've been around for about 35 years,

and they are traditionally known for being a theatrical advertising agency or trailer house.

One of the interesting things about them is that they, sort of during the pandemic,

when the movie stuff shut down, they kind of saw that they had all their eggs in one basket and so they really wanted to

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