it is not a badge of courage to suffer alone,

especially when there's a stubborn refusal

to ask or even to accept help from others.

They don't want to be a burden to others, I guess that.

But to actually reject help, I look at that kind of person. I'm like that is a know what you're going to do you know My guest today is a person I first met on clubhouse and she was one of the toughest role plays I've ever had to do and she's reminded me a couple times since then and that I said I would never work with you and here we are

we're fast friends is a couple years later and I'm delighted to have her on the show so

for people who don't know who you are jewel please introduce yourself.

Thanks so much for having me Chris and by the way

I don't remember it that way you saying you would never work with me

that's not how I remember this

I like how you were already rewriting the story.

Anyway, hello everyone, my name is Joel Kim.

I'm a life coach and an executive coach.

Love to work with creatives and executives.

And what is your story?

Because you've taken many different career turns.

And take me back to the educational thing

where you thought you're gonna do acts,

then you did this, and you've had a lot of turns in your life.

So I'd love to hear a little bit about those changes.

Oh, I thought we only had 60 minutes for this today.

All right.

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