Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Jeremy Gilbert,

Jeremy is a professor of cultural and political theory at the University of East London.

He's all for 21st century socialism and his latest book, Catchmenty Now, How Big

Tech and Wall Street Won the World is Out Next GAR. I know you've just turned your

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That's exactly right. We're in this era where it turns out we were never the bus.

That's the black night. What's beneath the surface of people we admire of the ideas

that define our time, the history we're told? Welcome to Russell Brand. Under this

skin. Now there's a few things that I want to touch on about like, you know, if you

like the current center left, I think has become dominated by authoritarianism and puritanism

and is like a become bereft ideologically. When I look at, see, you talk about your

reclaim the streets type days and I sort of drifted around on the periphery of their

movements mostly because I kind of liked it. I liked the vibe and everything. I also

sensed there was something important about it, but I wasn't sort of embedded in groups

that would, you know, I've got some friends that knew the score on this kind of staff

and gradually did their best to teach me about it, but I liked the energy of it. What I

feel is that these kind of like the current sort of technocratic, political ideals of

the left are not going to deliver anything. I also am doubtful, suspicious, cynical even

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