Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Jeremy Gilbert.

Jeremy is a professor of Culture and Political Theory at the University of East London.

He's author of 21st Century Socialism and he's a ladies book,

hegemony now, how big tech and Wall Street won the world is out next year.

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I like that. I like Apple Skins.

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then there's a little review.

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There's Jenny.

Okay, by the way, so let me just tell you about Jeremy Gilbert. Jeremy Gilbert was friends with

Mark Fisher. Mark Fisher wrote.

Capitalist realism. He capitalist realism with Mark Fisher's book.

I did the audio book for it. It's a lovely book. You should listen to it.

You can listen to that audio book. It's me reading it. It's enjoyable.

And what Mark Fisher is is like, I guess like Jeremy was a cultural and political

theorist, probably at the same university, but he also stuck up for me when I was getting involved

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