Yeah? Hello and welcome to Under the Skin from Luminary. This week I spoke with Sebastian

Younger. Sebastian is an American journalist, author and filmmaker. He's known for his

books The Perfect Storm, a true story of men against the sea, War and Tribe. His latest

book is called Freedom and it's out now. In our conversation, we touched on how the

social models we create should be reflective about evolutionary history, taking advantage

of our technological and medical advancement, but not using those advances to create more

and more profit for elite organizations and individuals at the top of social pyramids.

It was a fantastic conversation. You are gone. I love it. Now I have a comment. Did you enjoy

the last podcast with Luke Henson, Luke Kemp, as he's become known as By Me? Scarlet Fire says,

fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it's a merger of state

and corporate power. And that's by a little guy named Benito Mussolini, a go-getter who saw

an opportunity in life and made it work, but sadly it was through the machinery of fascism.

And if you see that famous footage of him on the balcony, you can't help but think this

guy's gotten a bit carried away. Well-rounded, is that the name of the person well-rounded?

His point resonates true, she says, of Luke Kemp. Straight away, I look at the NHS app and

it's utility in recent years. It added little solutions to the problem, but was obviously

useful for mass data collection. I've never felt so odd with today's systems and politicians.

Thanks, well-rounded. Well, Jenny Mayfinn, have you been... Good, how are you?

Why are you asking me like that? Because I feel like I don't ask you, you always ask me.

I'm all right, still intermittent fasting, still vegan, still a father of two kids.

We've got a bit of a cold. I had a cold. Your voice sends deeper when you were cold.

Nice, sir. Just deeper. Does that mean nice?

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