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I'm John Dutch with Brennan Weikert. His new book is Biohack, China's Race to Control Life.

The Thousand Talents Program, China's Field of Dreams, attracting the best talent in order to catch up and pass and defeat our rivals in the West.

The man's name is Charles Lieber, born 1959 in Philadelphia.

He's the chair of the Harvard Chemistry Department.

He's world famous for working on nanoscience and nanotechnology.

And it is revealed over these last years that Charles Lieber was approached and corrupted

by elements of the People's Republic of China.

Brandon, what do we know about who approached the professor and why they approached him and what happened to the research?

Well, that's an excellent question. And so, of course, Lieber denies all of this and, you know,

he says that this is all a misunderstanding. But ultimately, we know from the FBI investigation

that was conducted into his issue, here was a top, not just Harvard scientists, the head of their chemistry department, touched everybody with his research, but he was also a senior nanotechnology researcher for DARPA, which is our highly sophisticated elite military research group.

He was working for years for DARPA, had exclusive contracts with them.

He was approached at some point in the 2010s by representatives of the Thousand Talents program

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