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This is Hotel Mars.

I'm John Bachelors with my colleague and co-pilot, David Livingston, Dr. Space of the Space

Show.

And we're joined by Professor Heim Beneroyah of Rutgers University, whose books imagine

the immediate future.

This is the Colony on the Moon and Colony's on Mars.

The two books are, well, three books, Building Habitats on the Moon, Turning Death to

Gold into Gold, Building of Future on the Moon in Mars, and Lunar Settlements.

Heim wrote these books and we've talked about them over the years before there was a

starship.

Well, now starship is about to make its maiden voyage almost orbital, but in any event starship

has the ability to transfer a great deal of weight to lunar surface and to Martian

surface.

Now the advantage of Mars as I've learned is that there is an atmosphere.

It's not a very thick one, but as we've mentioned, Moxie can convert Martian atmosphere

into breathable oxygen right away.

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