I'll figure it out is how I've always thought about things. I don't have a lot of confidence going into something

other than knowing that the confidence is I will figure it out. And if I don't, again, I'm not putting myself

at risk, so it's okay.

And so it's a couple of those things together

that gives me the confidence to try something new. I'm going to do.

Do you know?

And,

do you know do you

do

and and and and and

uh... uh...

uh... I just want to tell you I have a lot of a mixed emotions docking to you right now so I'm going to just try and be chill here

I'm excited. I'm inspired by you. I'm intimidated by you and I have to just confess something a lot of my thinking it has been directly a lift from what you've written in your books

So when you when I don't know how it happened when we exchange information I was like I can't believe we're even going to talk right now.

So I'm like, whoa, deep breath. All right, so not admiration here.

Well, I have loads of respect for what you're doing and I wish I was as good as you

at what you do. and I wish I was as good as you at what you do so please

we're just two people talking here both are maybe good at something.

We're good at something I think yeah let's hope so. Now this might be crazy, but in case somebody doesn't know who you are, can you

introduce yourself and then tell us a little story about who you are? Yeah, sure. So my name is Jason Freed and I started a company almost 23 years ago, originally called 37 signals and you just interviewed one of my co-founder, Carlos Segura, a few weeks ago, I think it was.

And we were a web design company and we were doing that for a number of years and then we got

pretty busy and we couldn't manage all the work we were doing with the tools that we were using.

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