a lot of creative people are introverts, they have a hard time articulating what they do and who they are,

they have difficult conversations around money, they don't know how to do sales and negotiate,

and they think marketing is a horrific idea.

So you can see I can highlight five or six problems that they're

working through and when I provide a solution to one or more of these problems and help them to grow in their

life that's going to be a bond that's going to be

unbreakable. If you want to have a legal competitive advantage, serve first. I'm going to do. Welcome to the future podcast, a show that explores the interesting overlap between design, marketing, and business.

I'm Greg Gunn.

This episode comes from a clubhouse Q&A that was hosted by Billy and

Glenn of Breakfast with Champions. And during this candid chat they ask Chris a

series of questions about mindset and marketing.

The group talks about how and why you should be very specific about your goals, redefine what

creativity means, and spoiler alert

it's not just for artists and designers.

And finally discuss why the world and all of our futures depend on creative thinking.

There's even some interesting Q&A from listeners and as you may have guessed

Chris eagerly shares his thoughtful and direct responses. Now if you have any

interest in changing your mindset, especially about marketing, then I think you like this one.

Please enjoy our conversation with Chris, Billy, and Glenn.

Chris Doe, welcome to Breakfast with Champions.

Thank you very much, Billy, for the warm introduction.

So happy to be here.

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