your biggest enemy and you're always contemplating the worst that can happen which is good but it can also have a detrimental effect on you as well and as long as you can control that and look at fear from a positive aspect, you'll be okay. Once you step into that ring, instead of freaking out and wanting to run, let me use this fear to my advantage.

So what is fear going to do?

It's going to sharpen all my senses.

And so you use that to help guide you through that situation. I'm going to do. Welcome to the future podcast, a show that explores the interesting overlap between design, marketing and business.

I'm Greg Gunn. The internet can make people look very one-dimensional, when in reality they are far from it.

In fact, many of us live dual lives. For instance, I love to listen to death metal and also make friendly

colorful illustrations. Our guest today is no different. He is a graphic designer and also a three-time world champion in Moitai, a competitive

martial art and combat sport. Like I said, dualities. We'll hear about his tumultuous life journey as a Serbian born in Bosnia,

where civil war forced his family to flee the country and ultimately immigrate to the United States,

which is where he fell in love with graphic design and developed a secret fighting career.

Now, you may think fighting and design don't have much in common, and you're probably right. But one important concept they do share is mindset.

So how do you prepare when your life or serious injury is on the line.

What kind of training do you need?

And how can you develop the mental fortitude it takes to survive?

Not to overdramatize creative work, but putting yourself out there

and taking on jobs can be scary.

Maybe not get punched in the liver scary, but emotionally just as painful.

In this episode, our guest will share his mindset for how to use fear as a tool to help guide you through a scary situation.

Please enjoy our fascinating conversation with Aagnan Dopich.

So what I've been able to gather from you is you've had this tumultuous life

fleeing a war, relocating to America, falling in love with graphic design, but falling in love

with something else too, which I want to spend a good

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