#1325: Secret Lair with Lindsey Bartell

Magic: The Gathering Drive to Work Podcast

Wizards of the Coast

Leisure, Game Design, Mtg, Duels Of The Planeswalkers, Games, Ccg, Mark Rosewater, Magic The Gathering

4.7 • 802 Ratings

🗓️ 27 March 2026

⏱️ 31 minutes

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In this episode, I sit down with Senior Director Lindsey Bartell to talk about Secret Lair.

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0:00.0	I'm not pulling on my driveway.
0:03.2	We all know what that means.
0:04.7	It's time for another drive to work at home edition.
0:07.6	So I tend to use my time at home to do interviews.
0:10.4	And obviously today I have another interview.
0:12.3	So I have Lindsay Bartel, who is in charge of the Secret Lair.
0:16.8	Yes.
0:18.0	Hey, how's it going, Mark?
0:19.6	Happy Friday.
0:20.8	Happy Friday. Okay, so we're going, Mark? Happy Friday. Happy Friday.
0:21.6	Okay, so we're going to talk all about Secret Lair, and we have a lot to talk about,
0:27.6	but I'm going to start with the elephant in the room, I guess.
0:31.6	So the number one complaint I get when people complain to me about Secretare talks about, hey, why can't
0:40.2	we go back to French of Demand?
0:42.3	Why do we have the current system?
0:44.7	So we want to talk a little bit about why the current system exists?
0:47.3	Oh man, no warm up.
0:49.1	Just right to the hard question.
0:50.3	Right to the heart of it.
0:51.3	I know.
0:52.3	That's okay.
0:53.3	That's totally fair. I'm ready. Okay. So, yeah, it's a really great question.
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