I'm not pulling on my driveway. We all know what that means. It's time for other drive to work at home edition.

So today we have Gavin Verhe to talk about his, I think his favorite thing to talk about, which is Doctor Who design.

Yeah, this is so exciting. Oh my gosh, Mark. I couldn't even let you finish. I was so excited to be here to talk about Dr. Hu.

I mean, this is such a passion project for me and a set I care so much about.

And I'm just thrilled that it's finally about to come out or just has come out depending on the podcast hits.

And you'll all get to play it and see all the cards.

And yeah, I'm going to talk about it with you all today. It's going to be a blast. Okay, so the goal of today is to get knee-deep in design. This is a design podcast.

So we're going to really get in there and go, I mean, if people have heard you talk out the

places, we're going to go deeper than that, get more in to sort of the actual nuts and bolts.

So let's start from the beginning, which is where did you start? What did you know when you started the design?

Like, where did the design start from?

Right.

So at the beginning, we're going to make four Commander decks, all right, straightforward

enough.

We had the Warhammer decks we'd done previously as kind of like a template or kind of

like a direction to go in.

And something that I pitched for before design even started

and this kind of is like the very early design like pre-designed because the moment i learned i was doing

this i was like started thinking about it already was planes right i was like we should do plane chase

it's a perfect fit for dr hoot is like a perfect creative fit because you know in the show you go all

around space and time and while on planes you also go all around space and time and while on planes you

also go all around space and time right and so um i remember i pitched that to the architecture team here at

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