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broadcaster, TV guy, artist, podcaster, Jesus, high achiever clearly, and author of the books Loose units and Electric Blue, Paul Verhoven.

Hi, it's not so much overachieving as it's basically just career ADHD is what it is. I just sort of see shiny things and I run at them

I'm also very easily distracted and I have trouble kind of fixating on one thing at a time and

I'm inherently guilty about things like that. So I think I would make a terrible cult leader. I just I think I would just I'm just not

built for it which might be why this stuff fascinates me so much, because they're just,

it's like if you take my personality and run in the opposite direction, you end up with a bad

ponytail and a little chin strap and running a cult.

So.

Who could you possibly be talking about?

But I think you'd actually, by that description,

you'd make a good cult leader because they are free.

Well, because they're generally free of regulation they're free to just go you know what

this week this is what we're doing and this is who we are and this is and everyone's wearing blue today

yeah but there's generally like a more dogmatic ethos.

I think what would, I think my problem is I would become obsessed with a cult.

I join a cult very briefly and then I would snap out of it pretty quickly and then it would just be me being yelled at in a hotel room by Harvey Kaitel like the deprogramming would be the next thing maybe I could deprogram people I could bamboozle them out of their I mean do you

Which production company are we pitching this to but I mean as far as this podcast

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