This podcast was recorded on Gadigal Land.

We acknowledge the traditional custodians of this land

and pay our respects to the elders past, present and emerging.

Hey, just a note for North American listeners.

My book, Zealot, a book about cults, will be available in physical form, like a rectangular prism, from September 8th 2020. So if you haven't read it or you want to

read it again or you want to give it as a gift you'll be able to buy it in shops and it's available to pre-order now.

So go on. Sell it. I've got and I'm delighted I always say that but I'm easily delighted I've got

comedian Reese Nicholson and all I had to do was ask and here he is hello.

Hello Joe.

I don't know why I'm excited to say hello Joe but it's just it's fun to say hello.

Hello.

Hello I think there's a Simpson's yeah one of the old crones that goes

hello Joe. Hello Joe. Yeah the two weeks after that episode first aired we're a joy a real fucking nightmare for any Joe in the world

hey speaking a real fucking nightmare who we talking about. Oh, we're talking about my future name.

Tell me your stupid name.

Oh, we're talking about my future husband, Lawrence,

Lawrence Ray, who I keep in my head calling Ray Lawrence.

I don't know why or Ray Larry, like it still works.

Yeah, and sometimes I sort of go Larry, Sarah Lawrence.

Yes.

It's all interchangeable.

I, like at first, when I was reading the article, like the cut article article which by the way appears to be I've done a little tiny bit of like try to do some research on top of that and there's not that much except for that article.

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