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I'm a bit thrilled because I've got writer, broadcaster, producer, presenter, and legend

Mariek Hardy on today. Hello, you didn't tell me you're going to say legend but that's quite exciting. I thought I'd leave that as a surprise. Like archaic media people like Burton like style. Oh he's an Ozzy legend and you're like hang on you're

like how how how how how am I all right well today I've got the Bert Newton of

weird of letters, Marie-

Hardy.

Oh, that's worse, isn't it?

I've got a record.

I know, but I think the comparisons end there.

And I've made Marieique watch Holy Hell on Netflix. So who are we, which cult are we talking about today? Tell me your stupid name.

You stupid name.

Um, Butterfield is the cold.

I mean, you say you made me watch it.

I mean, what an amazing time for someone to give you a Netflix

recommendation really I am in Melbourne and we've been trapped inside for

three and a bit weeks so it was just like well oh wow a new Netflix thing thank you so much Joe

so yeah Butterfield is the cult that is I seems to still be going which is you know

always the amazing thing when they've got I mean it's the same as the

sagnasins for world world country there's a huge kind of yeah

rosay documentary and yet these things still continue which always is a staggering kind of portrait of people's capacity for denial like even in the

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