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Think from KERA

Your perfect person doesn’t have to be perfect

Think from KERA

KERA

Kera, 071003, Think, Society & Culture, Krysboyd

4.7911 Ratings

🗓️ 20 April 2026

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Summary

In dating, finding “the one” might be easier if you stop assuming “the one” will be a perfect match. Paul Eastwick is professor of psychology at UC Davis, where he serves as the head of the Social-Personality Psychology program and the director of the Attraction and Relationships Research Laboratory. He joins host Krys Boyd to discuss why we need to look past imperfections when choosing a mate, why what we know about evolutionary biology has been exaggerated, and the pros and cons of dating apps. His book is “Bonded by Evolution: The New Science of Love and Connection.”

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0:00.0

I'm CNN tech reporter Claire Duffy.

0:04.3

I cover artificial intelligence and other new technologies for a living.

0:11.8

And even I sometimes get overwhelmed trying to keep up with it all and stay safe in the process.

0:17.8

On the podcast, Terms of Service, we can explore how to experiment with these new tools

0:22.6

without getting played by them. Listen to CNN's Terms of Service wherever you get your podcasts.

0:48.3

If you happen to be super sexy or super wealthy, evolutionary psychology suggests you will have your pick of lovers and live happily ever after. But if that's true, why are there so many spectacular breakups in Hollywood and Silicon Valley? And if everyone's

0:55.6

mate preferences are hardwired by evolution, how is it even possible to find real happiness with

1:01.3

someone who will never be a supermodel or a tech titan? From KERA in Dallas, this is Think. I'm

1:08.2

Chris Boyd. It may indeed be close to impossible to find and woo the

1:13.3

perfect partner. But a partner who is perfect for us or close enough to do the job, that search

1:19.4

is worth our time because it's much more likely to end well. Paul Eastwick has studied this.

1:24.6

He is professor of psychology at the University of California, Davis,

1:27.8

where he serves as head of the Social Personality Psychology Program and Director of the

1:32.6

Attraction and Relationships Research Laboratory. His new book is called Bonded by Evolution,

1:38.3

The New Science of Love and Connection. Paul, welcome to think.

1:43.0

Thanks so much for having me on. Before we talk about your sense

1:46.9

that evolutionary biology has led to a somewhat distorted understanding of how and why we form

1:52.6

romantic relationships, maybe you can start by reminding us of the stereotypical interpretation,

1:58.0

this thing you have come to call the Evo script.

2:10.0

Yeah, I think the Evo script has a few components that started in the science in the 90s, but they've taken on a whole new life online.

2:20.3

And that includes things like everybody has a mate value, a certain set of traits and attributes that make them either desirable or not in the mating game. Another idea is that men and women are these very different creatures

2:27.5

who want very different things out of romantic relationships. And a third idea is that, you know,

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