Hello and welcome back to the show. I am Patrick. I'm here as always with Ben.

We are joined our friend Chris Irwin. Gentlemen, how are you both doing today?

Good. Terrific, fantastic. Glad to be back.

Good to see you both. Chris. Welcome back. This is the fourth time you've been on the show. I think that might be a record. That is, I think, actually, a record. Yeah. You did a good job. You came up with the, EC is probably next best. Next most. You came up with a framework that, most guest this is. You came up with a framework that required four conversations, Chris. Yes, at least. good job yeah yeah, yeah, which is either a really good thing or really bad thing. It's too complicated to get through in one. That's right. So for folks maybe who haven't tuned into the episodes that we've had with you before, I'm going to do a quick reminder of what we're talking about. We are talking about Chris's idea of the mind killers. So the first time we had you on was in December of 2024. We talked

about oblivion and awareness. And we talked about the concept of mind killers, what they are

and specifically focused on the first mind killer, again, oblivion. We talked about how developing

awareness of our thoughts is the foundation for what you what you deem as mental fitness, which is a

very cool concept we've stolen from you.

Second episode, January 28th, the inner echo chamber. We talked about two more mind killers,

storytelling and suppression. We talked about how we create harmful narratives about past events

and suppress emotions and introduce reframing and emotional processing as countermeasures.

And then the last time you were on was in April of this year.

We talked about the title, the title of the episode was the turtle principle.

We talked about the fourth mind killer fear and its countermeasure openness.

And in this one, we're going to talk about the final mind killer,

stagnation.

We're going to talk about why curiosity and wonder can keep us moving and what developing

a personal mission statement has to do with all of it. So I'm excited to dive into this conversation

with you. Chris, I like to do this. Could you remind us what mind killers are, maybe a short definition

so that we're all on the same page, perhaps, if we haven't tuned into those previous episodes?

Yep, for sure. So mind killers are essentially the way that we self-sabotage our own mental

health and prevent ourselves from being mentally fit. So most of the time these days, people think of

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