Hello and welcome back to the show. I'm Patrick. I'm here as always with Ben. I just sang a little bit.

I loved it. Why do you not sing more?

Welcome, everybody. Thanks for tuning in. We're going to talk today. I found myself in, let's just call it the last year or so, as my boys get older, I am hanging out with their friends' parents more. So I'm being exposed to people who I don't meet in CrossFit gyms, which is like 97% of the people I've met in the last 15 years. I've met them in a crossfit gym. And I find myself-

bubble has been exposed. Oh, no. Catch it, quick.

And I find myself in sometimes in conversations with people about the things that you and I talk about here on Chasing Excellence, whether it's fitness or health or nutrition or mindset or all these things.

And I sometimes find myself really struggling to know, not even how to help, but like where do, where do I begin this

conversation? Where do I begin a conversation, this conversation, with somebody who hasn't

been thinking about these things for the last 20 plus years like you and I have, or haven't

been having these conversations like you and I have for the last 10 years? And for our folks who are

listening, a lot of folks have

been listening to this for a long time. So like, how do they have conversations with people

when those folks haven't been listening to Chasing Excellence or any number of other podcasts or

reading the books that we read to? So like the challenge kept coming back to me, which is like,

how do we how do we help people? But first, where do we know how to even begin

to help people? And so that's what I want to talk to you about today. I want to, I want to put

some thoughts together as to for folks out there as well as for us, you and I, like, how do we know

where to begin if our goal is to help people chase what truly

matters in the way that we are ourselves trying to chase what truly matters?

Yeah, I think that all of us, when I say all of us, it's me, you, and everyone that listens

here regularly, part of our crew have come up against us, right?

Which is people are curious or people are judgmental or somewhere in between.

Or they're just stuck.

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