So Pam, today's show, we get to hear a story.

I like stories.

I can learn Jade Rogers and their journey, largely surrounding his struggle with pornography,

his introduction to it, the struggle and the severity it became.

And then what he figured out in the healing process and becoming an advocate and even creating

a business to try to help people, they're facing similar struggles, similar addictions,

similar hang-ups, if you will, because it is so important and vital that we have people

walk alongside us in this, and that's not just the spouse.

No, we can't be the accountability partner for sure.

But they do need support and they are a support, too.

They still can be an ally in the journey.

And so in the conversation with them and the regular version today, it's just their

journey, because he realized there's got to be other things that we could do, and so

he just created an app, which is pretty cool to think about it.

I love that world out there that opens up so many doors for people.

Right, because how often do we realize, you know what, if I'm struggling with someone

else, probably is, too.

That's some of the stuff we've heard about from our show, it's like when we'll talk about

something, it's like, oh, someone else is dealing with that, too.

That's so good to know.

I'm not alone in this.

And so their journey is a fun one, their story is a fun one, their cute couple, and just

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