WUHAN LAB RECONSIDERED: 5/8: Chaos Under Heaven: Trump, Xi, and the Battle for the Twenty-First Century by Josh Rogin (Author)
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🗓️ 6 May 2024
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https://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Under-Heaven-Twenty-First-Century/dp/0358393248
By the time the COVID-19 pandemic erupted in Wuhan, Trump’s love-hate relationship with Xi had sparked a trade war, while Xi’s aggression had pushed the world to the brink of a new Cold War. But their quarrel had also forced a long-overdue reckoning within the United States over China’s audacious foreign-influence operations, horrific human rights abuses, and creeping digital despotism. Ironically, this awakening was one of the biggest foreign-policy victories of Trump’s fractious term in office.
Filled with shocking revelations drawn from Josh Rogin’s unparalleled access to top U.S. officials from the White House and deep within the country’s foreign policy machine, Chaos Under Heaven reveals an administration at war with itself during perhaps our most urgent hour.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Bachelor. This is the John Bachelor show Josh Rogan, the Washington Post Global Opinions Columnist, is also |
| 0:15.8 | the author Josh Roggan of his new book Chaos Under Heaven, Trump, She, and The Battle for |
| 0:21.2 | the 21st Century. |
| 0:22.4 | 2017 is the She and the Battle for the 21st Century. |
| 0:23.0 | 2017 is the two opponents, the United States and China, deciding how they're going to go forward |
| 0:31.1 | between the Hawks, the Superhawks, Wall Street, those who want a diplomatic |
| 0:35.7 | solution to what appears to be a trade imbalance to the new president, President Trump. |
| 0:41.1 | 2018, there are definitions that are necessary. |
| 0:45.1 | What is an economic war? |
| 0:46.8 | What is a tech war? |
| 0:47.8 | What is national security? |
| 0:49.7 | The principles are moving around. |
| 0:51.3 | There are no clear lines, as we learn from Josh's chronology of 17 and 18. |
| 0:56.3 | It is now early 2019. The relationship is breaking down and there's a search for metaphors. Recall that there's always a search for |
| 1:05.6 | the right thing. This from a quote that Josh uses thanks to Matt Pottinger in his book. If names |
| 1:12.0 | cannot be correct, then language cannot be in accordance |
| 1:15.0 | with the truth of things. |
| 1:16.8 | And if language cannot be in accordance with the truth of things, then affairs cannot be carried |
| 1:21.7 | on to success. The affairs between China and the United States |
| 1:26.8 | are not clear at this point until you name the thing itself. Josh, is this a Cold War? Is that helpful in the year 2019 to think |
| 1:36.1 | of it as a Cold War at the State Department and at the White House? |
| 1:39.3 | Thanks John. You know I argue in the book that the use of the term Cold War has been stretched beyond any real usefulness or any real constructive instruction on how we should think about what's going on between the US and China. |
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