Just a quick reminder to always check if this is something you need, to always go to the show notes on your podcast app to check the trigger warnings because I cannot warn you specifically every single time before the episode, so please go there and check the trigger warnings if there is something that you find uncomfortable, something you want to miss out on.

Mostly because I am not as educated on trigger warnings as I should be,

whereas my incredible editor, Dave, the wonderful Dave, takes notes when listening to the episodes

and writes down what all of the potential triggers are.

So that is way more reliable than hoping that I will say it in the beginning. So please if that is something that is a risk to you please do go and see the show notes and yeah just take care of yourself.

Enjoy this episode. The unifying thing that I think is great about gender non-conformity and being non-binary is that a lot of people

and the people that kind of say, I don't understand understand don't realize that it benefits everyone.

So I think one way to try and create that dialogue and showcase that it's not just for this

very secular group of people that I think they think it is, is to

question them in a nice way on how they perform their gender.

You are listening to Made of Human, also known as the

old part, a podcast hosted by Sophie Hagen, who is a Danish comedian.

Mowh, trying to find out how to do life.

But it turns out nobody knows

Mopah.

Mowh. Hello everyone I am sorry for having missed so many weeks of episodes. It's because I've been moving house. It's better now. I'm almost there. Well I thought I was

almost there and then my internet completely died which made recording episodes much harder. So you're going to get too quite close to each other, I believe,

in this week in the next, but then it will go back to normal, hopefully, fingers crossed crust all of those things so this episode is with the

incredible Jamie Windust and non-binary writer campaigner overall writer, campaigner, overall incredible human being.

If you don't already know them, go and watch their TEDx talk on YouTube, go and pre-order their book, looked them up, look everything out that they've ever spoken about.

They're one of my favorite people and we had such a lovely chat this morning, even though I was so late because I suddenly had to set up all of my equipment in the living room because the Wi-Fi wasn't boy king.

So I will let you listen to this episode in just a tiny second if you want to see one of my live online shows on the 20th of October at 8 p.m. I will do an online show about shame called Do You Have No Shame.

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